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Ep 251: John Lee on Ukraine, Peace, and What China Wants
School of WarNov 25, 2025
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John Lee, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute,  joins the show to discuss the Trump administration’s efforts to bring the war in Ukraine to an end, and what it all means facing China in the Pacific.

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01:56 Strategic Implications of the War

03:24 The 28-Point Peace Plan

09:49 Challenges of Negotiating Peace

15:19 The Russia-China Connection

19:48 Nuclear Deterrence and Arms Control

29:30 Linking Ukraine and Taiwan

35:18 Ukraine War as a Chinese Proxy Conflict


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