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Ep 242: Michael Sobolik on On Donald Trump’s Trade War with China
School of WarOct 24, 2025
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Michael Sobolik, senior fellow at Hudson Institute and author of Countering China’s Great Game: A Strategy for American Dominance, joins the show to discuss the current state of relations between the U.S. and China as Xi Jinping and Donald Trump are scheduled to meet in South Korea next week.

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00:00 The Broader Competition: US-China Relations

02:51 Trump's Trade Strategy: A Historical Perspective

09:35 China's Strategic Objectives: Beyond Economics

14:16 Xi Jinping's Goals: The Summit Agenda

18:20 Export Controls: A New Era of Trade Tensions

22:36 The Stakes of No Deal: Economic and Strategic Implications

26:35 Decoupling from China: Challenges and Opportunities

33:05 Defining a Good Deal: Beyond Trade

37:22 TikTok: The Information Warfare Front


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