Ep 241: Julian Jackson on Nazi-Occupied France and Pétain

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Julian Jackson, Emeritus Professor of Modern French History at Queen Mary University of London and author of ⁠France on Trial: The Case of Marshal Pétain⁠, joins the show to discuss the rise and fall of “the Lion of Verdun”; Philippe Pétain.

Julian Jackson, Emeritus Professor of Modern French History at Queen Mary University of London and author of <a href="https://a.co/d/gm4tNkS">France on Trial: The Case of Marshal Pétain</a>, joins the show to discuss the rise and fall of “the Lion of Verdun”; Philippe Pétain.
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   01:06 Introduction
   01:53 How Pétain became the “Hero of France” in WW1
   11:32  France sues for peace with Germany in 1940
   18:52 The legality of the armistice
   27:49 Churchill’s take on the armistice         
   33:48 What Was Vichy France?
   41:43 Vichy’s treatment of the Jews    
   53:05 Distancing France from extermination         
   58:13 Why does Pétain stay a servant to the Nazis
   01:07:38 Vichy and Pétain on trial today
           
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