Ep 221: Joel Wuthnow and Phillip Saunders on China’s PLA 

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Joel Wuthnow and Phillip Saunders, both of the  U.S. National Defense University and authors of ⁠China's Quest for Military Supremacy⁠, join the show to discuss the origins, organization, and strategic outlook of China’s military. 

Joel Wuthnow and Phillip Saunders, both of the  U.S. National Defense University and authors of <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1509556931?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_CMDV5MKTT36SS289GSJ2&amp;bestFormat=true">China's Quest for Military Supremacy</a>, join the show to discuss the origins, organization, and strategic outlook of China’s military. 
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    •      01:22 Introduction
    •      01:57 Origins
    •      06:58 Crisis control   
    •      08:48 PLA structure 
    •      13:05 1960       
    •      20:17 Horizontal escalation    
    •      24:34 By land or sea
    •      28:23 American resolve
    •      30:54 Xi    
    •      36:41 A lack of experience 
    •      44:10 Military diplomacy
    •      48:17 Reading list
    •      50:43 Be unpredictable
 
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