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Ep 202: Fred Kagan on Ukraine’s Attack and the Future of War
School of WarJun 3, 2025
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Fred Kagan, senior fellow and the director of the Critical Threats Project at AEI, joins the show to discuss Ukraine’s drone operation targeting Russia’s strategic air assets. 

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    •      01:46 Introduction

    •      02:25 What just happened?   

    •      07:48 Escalation risk 

    •      10:20 Control

    •      12:39 Implications      

    •      21:10 Stratagems

    •      24:04 Effects      

    •      30:40 Economic pressure   

    •      37:20 Continuing operations 


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