Ep 187: Richard Fontaine on the “Reverse Kissinger” 

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Richard Fontaine, CEO of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) and co-author of No Limits? The China-Russia Relationship and U.S. Foreign Policy, joins the show to discuss the Beijing/Moscow relationship and the likelihood of the U.S. driving a wedge between the two.

Richard Fontaine, CEO of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) and co-author of <a href="https://www.cfr.org/report/no-limits-china-russia-relationship-and-us-foreign-policy">No Limits? The China-Russia Relationship and U.S. Foreign Policy</a>, joins the show to discuss Beijing-Moscow cooperation and the prospects of the U.S. driving a wedge between them.▪️Times     •      02:05 Introduction    •      02:21 Sino-Soviet split     •     06:20 Spheres of influence     •      09:17 Domination      •     13:20 Stabilizing effect       •      22:15 Xi &amp; Putin     •      28:19 Pacific expansion        •      35:20 More resources      •      41:06 America in, Russians out, Germans down <a href="https://bit.ly/41EloxN">Follow along</a> on Instagram, X <a href="https://x.com/schoolofwarpod">@schoolofwarpod</a>, and YouTube <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@SchoolofWarPodcast">@SchoolofWarPodcast</a> Find a transcript of today’s episode on our <a href="http://schoolofwar.substack.com/">School of War Substack</a>

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