Ep 133: James Holland on World War II in Italy, 1943

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James Holland, author of The Savage Storm: The Battle for Italy 1943 and host of the We Have Ways of Making You Talk podcast, joins the show to talk about the Allied campaign in Italy.

James Holland, author of <a href="https://a.co/d/0fTkHhe">The Savage Storm: The Battle for Italy 1943</a> and host of the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ww2-pod-we-have-ways-of-making-you-talk/id1457552694">We Have Ways of Making You Talk</a> podcast, joins the show to talk about the Allied campaign in Italy.▪️Times     •      02:08 Introduction     •      04:23 “No greater moment of human drama…”    •      11:08 Why go into Italy at all?    •      18:24 Mission to Rome      •      29:33 Baytown and Avalanche    •      32:10 Salerno    •      36:25 rethinking Mark Clark    •      40:50 Very hard fighting       <a href="https://bit.ly/41EloxN">Follow along </a> on Instagram Find a transcript of today’s episode on our <a href="http://schoolofwar.substack.com/">School of War Substack</a>

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